-Melinda Leslie - RE-ABS: Not MILABS
-Lloyd Pye -The Starchild Skull Is Out Of This World
 -Angelia Joiner -  Stephenville MUFON Report Lacks Detail
-Keith Rowell - Are Some Skeptics Debunkers in Sheep's Clothing?
-Keith Rowell, Colli, & Lindemann - The Truth About Abduction Enigma
-Keith Rowell - 1947: The Beginning of An Era
-Forest Crawford - The New Paradigm of Mind and Matter
-Victor Viggiani - The Abduction Experience
-Johannes Fiebag - UFO Abductions in Germany, Austria and Switzerland
-Johannes Fiebag - Unusual Objects Inside Guyot Crater on the Lunar Surface
-Johannes Fiebag - The Guadalupe Event
-Nina Pendred -Look Into My Eyes!
-Kay Wilson & Leah Haley - Anatomy of an Unjust Cause: Leah Haley's Rebuttal
-Kay Wilson - Debunking 'Victorian' Style
-Helmut_Lammer - Lammer's Rebuttal to What Would Freud Say?
-Debbie Jordan-Kauble -Rebuttal to What Would Freud Say?
-Helmut_Lammer - MILAB Research Ruffles Feathers
-Helmut_Lammer - What Would The Tuskegee Victims Say?
-Lloyd Pye-The Starchild Is Out Of This World...
- Richard Sauder - Too 'Conspiratorial' for Strieber! Shunned by Dreamland
-Karla Turner - Encounter Phenomena Defy 'Set Pattern:' All Data Must Be Considered
-Karla Turner - Genetic Agenda: A Double-Cross?
-Karla Turner - Alien Abductions in the Gingerbread House
-Elton Turner - Alien Behavior: Concept of Precept?

Debunking "Victorian" Style

"I still find it curious why the physical evidence that Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs have collected are never mentioned by the debunkers. Both researchers have tried to include it in various television specials about abductions. Nobody seems all that interested in it. Perhaps because with specimens and artifacts that backup abductees' reports, it makes the debunking process all too difficult."

– Kay Wilson

Victoria is the wife of John B. Alexander, a Ph.D., retired colonel, and a former science advisor for Robert Bigelow's now defunct NIDS: National Institute for Discovery Science. Mrs. Alexander has recently circulated - by way of the internet - a disparaging article about abductees and those who research them titled, What Would Freud Say?

Mrs. Alexander begins by letting the reader know that she is responding to criticisms made about her own criticisms regarding Dr. Helmut_Lammer's article Preliminary Findings of Project MILAB. What the reader of her material and of this article should understand is that she has not chosen this time to merely respond to criticisms from years past, but rather, to attack Dr. Lammer's work on the eve of the release of his new book titled MILABS![1]

Although she waits until her last paragraph to inform the reader, she thanks her husband - not "John," but "John B. Alexander, Ph.D." for his "...support, review, and insightful contributions to this article." It makes me wonder why "John B. Alexander, Ph.D." did not add his own name to this article. Perhaps it is due to his close affiliation with Robert Bigelow and NIDS; an organization and an individual who are no mystery to ufology. Indeed, in the not-so-distant-past, Robert Bigelow has helped MUFON, CUFOS, the Fund for UFO Research, Budd Hopkins, John Mack and others, funding various investigative UFO projects. Probably the most well-known are the two Roper Polls that measured American's "Unusual Personal Experiences."[2]

A Freudian Focus

In Mrs. Alexander's article What Would Freud Say? she states, "There has been much emotionally based consternation about my generalizing comments about alleged dysfunction relating to abductees." She then goes on to provide no less than three pages of quoted material from several researchers (Mack, Hopkins, Jacobs, Fiore) and her favorite abductee to publicly badger, Debbie Jordan (alias Kathy Davis of Intruders).

I compare what Mrs. Alexander has done with her debunking article to going through a police file of reported rape cases and omitting everything about the victim except their description of the most lurid details of the sexual nature of the crime. It is indeed "Freudian" to place so much focus on the sexual nature of abductions. There are many other events that have been reported by abductees, but just as she did two years ago, Victoria is still obsessing about the sexual aspects of the phenomenon.

In my Researcher's Supplement I went to great lengths to separate and analyze the different components of my experiences. After studying my journals, which contained over a decade of experiences, I found that only 3% of my experiences involved anything relating to sex. In other words, 97% of my experiences involved other things happening than sex with aliens or hybrids or whatever the debunkers feel like accusing us of.[3]

Indeed, this brings us to Victoria's criticism-of-the-week: "Have aliens become the scapegoats for life-threatening and ostracizing obesity, failed relationships and marriages, sexual inadequacies, lifelong medical problems, and chronic masturbation, etc?"

Has Victoria undertaken or referenced any scientific studies that would indicate a higher incidence of health problems with people claiming abduction as compared to a control group? No. She has not. Therefore, her question is pointless, as it was intended to be. Mrs. Alexander has taken particular narratives out of various books and has once again thrown them into the same proverbial pot to support her own assumptions.

One of the things all abductees can do is honestly report what has occurred to them. However, it seems that when they do they are attacked and their experiences debunked in every manner conceivable. Amazingly, after pages and pages of dissected material, Victoria makes the following request:

"I urge all men and women who have been harassed, abused and kidnapped by military personnel to publicly come forward."

Why in the world would any abductee take advice or honor a request from Mrs. Victoria Alexander? I am certain I am not alone in wondering what she has planned for us this time. Perhaps an attack with a "non-lethal beanbag propelling weapon"?

The truth of the matter is, we have come forward and several MILAB abductees have shared their information with Dr. Lammer. He published some of that information in his MILAB article, and much more is contained in his new book MILABS!

Victorian Flawed Statements

The following section focuses on specific statements made by Mrs. Alexander and shows that - as opposed to being a true skeptic - she is nothing more than an irrational debunker.

"At this time there is absolutely no incontrovertible proof that aliens are abducting, experimenting on, sexually abusing, and mating with humans to produce a hybrid race."

The phrase "incontrovertible proof" is an excellent choice of words to use in this portion of her argument. What she does not tell the reader is that "incontrovertible proof" even in a court of law, is rare. I still find it curious why the physical evidence that Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs have collected are never mentioned by the debunkers. Both researchers have tried to include it in various television specials about abductions. Nobody seems all that interested in it. Perhaps because with specimens and artifacts that backup abductees' reports, it makes the debunking process all too difficult.

Five years ago I stated in my Researcher's Supplement, "Until we began using DNA testing procedures, women could not prove that they had been raped by a particular man. All the police had to go on was the woman's word, the word of eye witnesses (if there were any) and perhaps a gynecological exam if the woman reported the rape immediately. Did that negate the fact that women were raped? Unfortunately, sometimes it did. But never, ever to the woman who survived the rape."[4]

Victoria states, "Ongoing fast-track advances in genetic engineering clearly indicates that physical intercourse (or simulated impregnation) to produce 'hybrids' is extremely inefficient and unnecessary....Earth's scientists do not even need sperm or ova to reproduce offspring. Yet we are asked to believe clumsy, archaic procedures are conducted by a technologically superior species."

The obvious flaw in this statement is that abductee reports do not all involve reports of clones or the cloning process. As a matter of fact, only a small minority involve any mention of cloning. The majority of abductees who talk about hybrids do so based on their memories of the event. Many of these memories are conscious memories, and were not retrieved by way of regressive hypnosis.

The understanding is these offspring were created through sexual intercourse, or through the collection of sperm and ova with fertilization and gestation sometimes occurring in a third host. Where are all of the reports stating that abductees are saying all of the hybrids are clones? Victoria's statement is simply inaccurate and does not represent the whole picture of what we have learned about the apparent hybridization process.

Victoria states, "All we have are stories," [from abductees and the researchers who study their information.]

Rather than using terms like "eye-witness testimony," "self-reports," or "conscious memories," she chooses the word "story" to describe the information related by abductees. The word choice is intended to lessen the believability factor. For example, we tell "stories" to children. Children tell "stories" when they lie. Abductees do not tell "stories."

Other tools debunkers like Victoria use are types of phrasing, simple word choices and the use of quotation marks to give the reader the impression that the information they are reading about [by or from abductees] is not worthy of being considered in a serious manner.

Victoria states, "...the 'abduction experience' [see the use of quotation marks again] in some way enriches the lives of abductees by either purging their troubled psyches, or allows them to undergo an 'arthritic sci-fi shamanic jaunt' (without the burden of leaving the comfort of bedroom and home)."

It is true that when victims of crimes talk about their experiences one-on-one or in a support group situation it helps to purge the awful pent-up feelings and emotions that can alienate a person who is trying to get their life back on track. In the field of mental health it is appropriate and encouraged for victims to share by purging their inner feelings and fears. However, according to Victoria, it is inappropriate for abductees to do so. And, even worse if we find ourselves enriched by surviving our ordeals. We are not looked at as being strong - we are placed in a virtual no-man's-land simply because we cannot produce a physical extraterrestrial for Victoria and other debunkers to poke and prod.

Victoria states, "... If these alien sexual episodes are not taking place in physical reality, then they certainly should be classified as 'sexual fantasies.' "

Sexual fantasies? Using Victoria's analogy, this is like saying events that occur in a spiritual reality are mere spiritual fantasies. I wonder how Victoria would defend her statement to the Reverend Billy Graham or to the leaders of other churches and religions? Are beliefs that we cannot presently back up with a physical existence really simple fantasies? Is a belief in God a fantasy?

Conclusion

I will abstain from providing other examples of Mrs. Alexander's inaccurate statements that relate to people claiming alien abduction. The reader (and the public) should have a good idea of the types of blanket criticisms covered in her article. It is interesting to note however, that it is not until page five that she gets to the supposed real reason for writing her article in the first place. She is attempting to respond to criticisms made about her own criticisms regarding Dr. Helmut_Lammer's article "Preliminary Findings of Project MILAB."

It is clear Mrs. Alexander's article is a vehicle with which to throw a few spars at the better known abduction researchers and abductees, while muddying up the waters on the eve of the release of Helmut and Marion Lammer's new book. During her criticisms of Dr. Lammer, she states completely false material and attempts to use our military's past blunders (their failure to "get" Khaddafi, Noriega, Hussein, etc.) as an excuse not to believe abductees. Perhaps what Victoria does not understand is that there is a big difference between military targets and political diplomacy.

Victoria naively reminds us that "...we live in a democratic society with laws against kidnapping and medically experimenting on its citizens." Where was Mrs. Alexander when MKULTRA and its many subprojects were exposed? Where was she when Hazel O'Leary announced the release of secret DOE documents showing that, among other groups and corporations - Quaker Oats was feeding radioactive cereal to children?

It is time for "Victoria & Company" to wake up and realize that secret atrocious medical and psychological experiments have been carried out on American citizens. It happened. There are documents to prove it happened, and we will be smelling the stench from those atrocities for decades to come.

Victoria boldly doubts the claims of a small number of abductees who have consciously remembered seeing military and other government personnel during their experiences. Our government has experimented on its citizens before - why should we not suspect that a small segment of our government or military may be involved in MILAB experiments - especially when we have seen them with our own eyes?

Maybe Victoria is correct. There may not be aliens after all. It may just be those same old humans doing the same old thing to a few unfortunate citizens living in our wonderful democratic society. Which, in the end, makes Helmut_Lammer and those he writes about right, doesn't it?

NOTES

[1] Preliminary Findings of Project MILAB were originally published in the December 1996, and February 1997 editions of The MUFON Journal. Marion and Helmut_Lammer, Ph.D., MILABS: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction, Illuminetpress, 1999.

[2] Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs, Ron Westrum, The UFO Abduction Syndrome, Unusual Personal Experiences: An Analysis of the Data From Three National Surveys (Las Vegas, NV: The Roper Organization, 1992); And, Robert Bigelow's NIDS: National Institute for Discovery Science Update 2008: NIDS is now defunct.

[3] Kay Wilson, The Alien Jigsaw Researcher's Supplement (Puzzle Publishing, 1994)50.

[4] Ibid. 123.