Katharina Wilson is well known to most people involved in the field of UFO research and the abduction phenomenon. Her first book, The Alien Jigsaw which she self- published in 1994, has become a classic, and she has followed it up with two others: a Researchers Supplement to The Alien Jigsaw and her latest publication, Project Open Mind: Are Some Alien Abductions Government Mind Control Experiments? The trilogy contributes an invaluable resource for those researching or experiencing these phenomena.

A regular speaker for some time at UFO Conferences, Wilson has stepped back from lecturing recently. She continues to work in the field, and her web site, The Alien Jigsaw http://www.alienjigsaw.com is well worth checking out. She supports MUFON as a journal subscriber. A former State Section Director, she took a sabbatical last year, and that position has been filled now by another person. She contributes periodically to the MUFON Journal and would like to see MUFON become more politically active and more proactive all around, especially in abduction research. "I'd really like to see a lot of these physicians we have on the MUFON board open up their offices and expertise to the physical examination and physiological testing of abductees. This is desperately needed and I remain optimistic that this will occur in the future," she states.

I asked Katharina when she first became aware of her involvement and how deeply involved she is.

"Although I had experiences from my childhood through my adult years indicative of alien contact, it was not until 1987, that I realized the connection with alien beings. In 1986, I began having recurring dreams of strange craft and memories of unusual beings. One night, I began walking around in my backyard looking for them. I actually thought I was going crazy. Then in 1987, I came across a book in the bookstore about the alien abduction phenomenon. At that time I had never read anything about UFOs, and had never even heard of alien abductions. After I read the book, it was like I had just read my life story. It was incredibly frightening."

How many people reading those words can totally identify with that experience? It seems that many of those experiencing these contacts question their sanity, until at some point, they discover, often by chance, the alien involvement as an explanation.

On a summer night in 1976, she recalls a UFO sighting which is included in Chapter Two of her book The Alien Jigsaw. I find her description of her feelings at the time particularly revealing. Just sixteen years old, Wilson had been baby-sitting and was on her way home.

"Just as we stepped outside the house," she says, "I saw three helicopters flying east and at a relatively low position. They were shining spotlights as if they were looking for someone on the ground. Far away from the helicopters and high in the southern sky were three objects with bright lights. I was captivated by what I was looking at, and somehow knew exactly what it was. Even at the age of sixteen, I knew they were alien. There were three intensely lit, bright white objects in the sky. And standing there in our cul-de-sac were several children I baby-sat for sometimes.

I watched the three lighted objects hover through my little telescope. I realized they were spacecrafts and they looked identical to one another. They were silver and hamburger-shaped with a row of red, blue and yellow lights moving around their midsections. They were hovering in a triangle formation approximately forty to forty-five degrees from the horizon in the southern sky. One of the craft remained as I watched it through my telescope while it moved slowly toward the west. The entire sighting lasted about forty-five minutes. I was so happy to have seen what I knew had existed for so long."

The foregoing reveals that subconsciously she knew that she had been involved with ETs all her life. On a conscious level, however, it was not something that she thought about or discussed. She says she hated anything to do with science fiction and jokes that she must have been the only person in her high-school band that had never seen an episode of Star Trek. Katharina states, "During this sighting something very intense happened to me. I felt a sense of confirmation and familiarity with what I was seeing."

I wondered how Wilson had dealt with her knowledge of her involvement with the visitors in her life. Had she rejected it and suppressed it or embraced it and tried to assimilate it into her daily life? "I would say that I've been somewhat ambivalent about it," all, she told me. "In the beginning I experienced fear and confusion. Then I felt as if I had to find out what was going on. I became fascinated with what I was learning. Then the fear returned. After conquering the fear, I tried to remain curiously objective. I then went on to report about what I had learned from my experiences through my books and my web site. After having had a little over ten years to assimilate the experience into my life, I find that I still have mixed feelings about it all."

I know many experiencers who will totally identify with these words. Many seem to fluctuate between fear and acceptance, many overcome their fear, and are curiously objective, but still have mixed feelings about their involvement. With no concrete answers available, this is probably the best that most can hope for.

Like many other abductees, Wilson feels that she is interacting with a variety of beings, operating on different levels. While in some experiences she feels as if she is treated as little more than a lab rat, there are other experiences involving positive beings which she calls SCBs (Super Conscious Beings) that have been far from harmful. In fact, they have been "gentle learning experiences" where she experiences feelings of love and warmth from the beings. She firmly states, "This is not to be confused with the overpowering, almost mechanistic love and warmth that are forcibly downloaded or implanted into your mind by some of the other ETs. There is a wonderful sense of caring with the SCBs. It is a true, unconditional love and caring. Unfortunately, those experiences are few and far between."

She feels that some ETs use very deceptive tactics, such as screen memories, while others do not use them at all.

"Some are open and honest with the people they visit. However, for some of the greys, hybrids, reptoids, and mantis beings, I think the screen memories and camouflage - the overall deception - is to make them feel better. Some of it is a mind game to them; some of it is just a way for them to get what they want from us. There may be times when they use it to make us more comfortable, but what is that in the end? It's a deception. Why don't they just behave in a way that doesn't require screen memories? Because they are doing things that require concealment and obscurity. Many of the beings have to hide from us because they know we will not accept what they are doing here. Physical abuse, mental abuse, and rape - as well as human experimentation, are completely unacceptable.

I have a sense of caring from a small minority of the visitors. It is interesting that the being I call The Blonde in The Alien Jigsaw had to aid the greys and hybrids in some of their medical and mental procedures. I often felt a sense of caring from him. At one point in our interactions with one another when his caring reached a peak, all of a sudden he was gone. He went away - it was almost as if he was sent away, and I never saw him again."

Some of the conclusions that Katharina has drawn from her experiences include the feeling that regardless of whom she is interacting with, there is the sense that there will be a great struggle. She says, "From what I've been told by other abductees, and from what I've seen and have been shown during my experiences, I think there is going to be a very big shift or transition on this planet, but I cannot say if this event will be good or bad."

As a brief overview of the more positive things that she has been shown during her experiences, she states that the SCBs have reinforced the following concepts for her: "thoughts are things - you create from the conscious God-force that everything is made from; all beings have a soul and all things have consciousness; there will be a great, World-wide event in our future and humanity will change the course of its own destiny; and, there will be a war or battle involving fighting between humans as well as fighting between humans and aliens."

On the negative side, the basic scenarios she has experienced with the greys and hybrids have led her to conclude that they are "performing physical and psychological experiments on humans that include sexual experiments for biological purposes as well as telepathic - voyeuristic purposes in order for the aliens to experience telepathically what they cannot physically." She feels they are using us to create a new race, and that some of the offspring are being used to populate at least one other planet. Some of these offspring are being experimented on, and most of the hybrids seen today are what we might refer to as indentured servants.

She goes on to say, "The children are part of the experience that I cherish. Whether they are alien, hybrid, or human, I do not regret my interaction with them. I feel a need to be there for them, even if it is only for a very short time. In the end, I believe we will find that they are the true victims in this. I also feel great compassion for the many animals I have seen during my experiences. They, too, are victims. Just as our scientists conduct horrifying experiments on terrestrial animals, so too, do some of these alien races."

It should be noted that Katharina has no children, and one can only speculate on the reasons for the strength of her feelings toward those that she encounters in her experiences. She says that she and Erik have discussed having children, but neither feels they are supposed to have children. Her experience in her first marriage, as you will see may have some impact on her feelings in this regard. She states, "Erik and I have even talked about adopting. The sad thing is, it always comes back to what the aliens have done to us. In the end, regardless of what we want for ourselves, we feel it would be selfish to bring children into a home where we know for certain alien abductions are occurring. It just wouldn't be fair to the child. It's very difficult, but as far as this planet, my genetic line, and children are concerned, this ends here - with me." It should be noted that Wilson had a hysterectomy in January 1994, due to severe pain and complications which she feels are associated with her lifetime of experiences.

Wilson's first marriage to a USMC pilot, was indeed, a difficult one. The issue of children is tightly interwoven into that story and she shares that portion of her life with us.

"When I began remembering my experiences immediately after they occurred, things began to change for me. I wasn't really aware of what was happening at the time, but when I look back on it, I realize it was an explosion just waiting to go off. I was married to a USMC pilot and living close to Camp LeJeune, North Carolina. My marriage during this time became rocky. I had no idea what was happening and I never mentioned the memories I had to my husband. However, one time I thought I was pregnant and I asked him how he felt about it. He told me that I had two choices: an abortion or a divorce. Fortunately, the pregnancy test came back negative. A few months after this occurred, one day my husband walked through the door and I found myself looking at a stranger. After that, he began telling me that he had thoughts of killing me, but didn't know why. After a few months of hearing him talk like this, he left for a seven month military deployment. It was during this time he wrote to me and told me he wanted a divorce because he still had thoughts of killing me."

Katharina states categorically that the abortion issue is one she would never have considered.

This experience was naturally, devastating to her and she was very confused about her husband's feelings of wanting to kill her. It was after this experience was over and she returned to her parent's home that she met Erik who is now her husband. Erik has been there for her through the hardest times in her life, she says. He supported her through her initial investigation, and continued to support her during the writing and publication of her books. "Although the phenomenon is still occurring in my life - which means his life as well - we are very, very happy together. I have to admit that Erik is a very special person. I don't think there are many men like him in our World. I am a very lucky woman."

Physical problems have plagued Katharina. Not only did she have severe problems with her reproductive system resulting in her 1994 hysterectomy, she has suffered severe migraines also. She says that she has never told her doctors that she is an alien abductee so they have not reacted to that in any way. She believes this has detracted somewhat from her research, "since a true scientific investigation would involve [her] telling [her] doctors everything," but she feels that she simply cannot risk that right now.

Wilson underwent a laparoscopy in January 1998. [The November prior to that, I remembered part of an experience. Someone did something to my right ovary and said to me, "This will make you be able to have a baby - it will make you fertile."] Within five days, she was in so much pain she went to her doctor, who discovered that she had an ovarian cyst. She was put on a regimen of medication that was supposed to cure the problem. After five weeks a follow-up ultrasound showed the cyst was now the size of a large lemon. She underwent surgery to remove the cyst, the ovary and the fallopian tube. Katharina is grateful that none of her tests have shown any trace of cancerous cells, and she is recovering well now.

A strange anecdote that Katharina shared with me in this regard occurred when she was thirteen years old and involves her telling her sister, "As soon as I am old enough and can afford it I am going to have it all taken out of me." She is referring here to her reproductive organs. She states that this came "out of the blue," and she cannot remember what caused her to feel this way, but she does know she was being abducted during that time in her life.

Wilson says she has seen a lot of similarities between people's experiences. So much so, she feels, that if eyewitness testimony and self-reports were presented in a court of law concerning any other subject than this, the evidence would be taken very seriously. "We would have been believed," she states, "most people have no idea what that would mean to those of us going through this - absolutely no idea."

Main sources of support for Katharina have been, of course, husband Erik, and friends involved in the phenomenon, as well - as she puts it - "prayer to God." Most experiencers find that support groups are a great source of support and understanding. Katharina feels they are good to a point. "These groups should be beneficial and helpful," she says. "There will be some fear and confusion at first, but if that does not give way to support, acceptance, and friendship, I recommend that you get out of the group. If you have been going to the same support group for a couple of years or more, you may not be receiving support. Remember, these self-help groups and group therapy are intended to help, not promote a specific cause or belief system."

An extension of the support group scenario is often the option to undergo hypnotic regression in order to better understand the experiences that one has had. On this subject Wilson feels "hypnosis is a very powerful tool. In the hands of a skilled hypnotist, you can achieve many things, both beneficial and harmful to the subject undergoing hypnosis. A review of the mind control literature shows one area where hypnosis has been shown to have long lasting detrimental effects on the subject. In combination with drugs (narco-hypnosis) it can be used to achieve very detrimental effects on the minds and in the lives of the subjects."

She goes on to state, "For me personally, what I remembered consciously, and what I later remembered under hypnosis was essentially the same. There were very few new memories with hypnosis - very little new information. I decided that for me, hypnosis wasn't that helpful. I also did not like the feeling of 'giving myself over' to the person performing the hypnosis, which is exactly what occurs during hypnosis. After all I've been through since I underwent hypnosis in 1988, I'm not even sure if I could be hypnotized again."

Katharina stresses that anyone considering undergoing hypnosis should read as much as possible on the subject, "Read about mind control, and read what the abduction researchers [and the mental health community] are saying about hypnosis. One thing is certain: If you go into it blindly and you don't work with a professional, you are setting yourself up for trouble," she says.

The decision to write The Alien Jigsaw was made during a lecture at the 1992 MUFON Symposium in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Wilson says, "I was listening to the speaker's panel discussion when a person in the audience asked the panel if they had ever encountered a UFO or abduction case that involved people seeing military or government personnel. To my dismay, the people who chose to answer the question said 'no' and made light of the subject. I knew that at least two of the speakers had, in fact, received reports about this, and I couldn't believe they chose not to address the topic in a serious and thorough manner. I sat in the audience of over seven hundred people that day with tears in my eyes feeling complete anguish. That's one of the reasons I decided to go public."

Wilson told me that her writing has proven therapeutic for her, in fact, extremely so. She says that it has not been easy to share all of her personal life experiences, but in the long run she feels it is better than keeping it all bottled up and feeling she is alone. It has been a long and difficult journey for her and one she felt she had to pursue, that she had a responsibility to do it.

It is the aspect of military involvement that is perhaps the most interesting to some people. On this subject, Katharina told me, "The Government as a whole probably does not have a clue as to what is going on." She feels that a majority of Government employees and agencies are totally "in the dark," but there are specific people within the Government and the military who have "a need to know" and those are the people she talks about when discussing Government involvement. Of this group, she feels that most know what is going on.

"They not only have access to the most sophisticated technology on this planet," she feels, "but to everything we know as well. We have published hundreds of books on the subject; the UFO community has never been good at keeping secrets; and there is no privacy on the internet or on our phones anymore. In addition, several abductees have reported seeing military personnel during their experiences. Why would we be seeing them so often if they weren't really there? Why is it 'okay' to see aliens, but not an officer in the United States armed forces?"

Wilson feels there is a precedent with the possibility of Government/military involvement. She cites Government supported experimentation with mind and behavior control, as well as radiation experimentation having been carried out on U. S. citizens.

"With the level of technology we have possessed for the last three decades, it is simply logical these agencies would know. In addition, it is relatively easy for NORAD and other similar agencies to track the comings and goings of so many alien craft. It is clear to me that one of the best ways the "government/military need-to-know group" had to learn about the aliens was through the people the aliens were interacting with: the abductees.

With the success of the [mind and behavior control] experiments referred to earlier, we know it is possible to create another personality within the core personality of a subject. To put it another way, to find out what the abductee knows and experiences during their abductions, but to still keep it secret, you would want to teach the abductee without them remembering having been taught. In other words, you would want to program them to perform a certain task for you. The task of finding out everything you can about the perceived enemy."

Katharina feels it is imperative to discuss these aspects of abductees' experiences in regard to what may happen in our future. "Many abductees say they have been trained to perform a certain task in the future, although they cannot quite remember what it is. Some believe it is a task to be performed for the aliens; some believe it is for humanity; while some others believe it is for the secret Government group."

Late in 1997, Wilson says she was told that about ten years ago, the military mission involving the aliens was in full swing. Now, the group has fragmented. She was told that NASA (or a portion of it) was part of this group. She was told, "No one can decide on the proper course of action - the group has lost its cohesion. There are pilots who want to continue flying the missions," even though she has been told they find it terribly difficult to abduct other humans.

"When I told a particular pilot I wanted to continue to participate in the project because I wanted to know the truth by staying on the inside - he replied, 'It's not like it used to be - your life won't mean anything - not like before.' However, he continued by telling me that he was still going to pursue the mission against the orders of the group. Because the group has splintered, he doesn't feel as if he's disobeying orders, and I don't think he would continue to pursue the mission if he thought what he was doing was wrong."

Katharina takes care to state, "I know there will be people who will read this with total disbelief. All I can say is that I am, and have always, relayed the information as it occurred. There were no aliens in this experience. No hybrids, and no SCBs."

To conclude, I asked Katharina: "Where is all of this leading"?

"Well, we are certainly being led to believe that a great event is approaching, and it is not the year 2000. The only problem is, we're not being told exactly what it is. Is it an asteroid that is capable of destroying most of the life on our planet? Is it a merging of two dimensions? Is it the enslavement of human beings? Is it the ultimate battle between good and evil? The return of Christ? Or-could it be that the aliens are simply going to complete their experiment and go away, never to be heard from again?"

I would like to take a moment here to thank Katharina Wilson for her time and efforts in conducting this interview and for her deeply thoughtful and insightful answers. Food for thought indeed, whether one categorizes oneself as an abductee, experiencer, researcher, or person of lay interest in this subject. I am proud to consider her among my friends and wish her the best of health and happiness and look forward to her continuing outstanding research.