My original post titled: New at The Alien Jigsaw

 

New at The Alien Jigsaw

 

Elsie Conner's Blog:

 

Out Of Darkness The Evolution Of CEII And CEIII Reports:

Where Did They Go?

 

The Seven Steps To False Memory

 

http://outofdarkness601.blogspot.com/

 

About Elsie Conner:

 

http://alienjigsaw.com/Gallery/Elsie_Gallery.html

 

Coming Soon:

 

The Russian Translation of Kay Wilson's e-book:

 

I Forgot What I Wasn't Supposed To Remember

 

http://alienjigsaw.com/The_Books/Book Page.html

 

Kathy Kasten's Response to my Original Post

 

 

"Kay: I have some questions about your opinions regarding

interacting with a professional health professional. But, based on past attempts toengage you in a dialogue, I already know you will not respond."

 

Kay Wilson Replies

 

Actually Kathy, I did respond to your attempt at communication on this list. The link is here and it was you who ignored my response to your inaccurate recall of the facts concerning our email correspondence back in 1996. I titled the subject line Alien Abductions and Mind Control to make the subject matter of the post quite clear. This was regarding your "mind control research" you said you contacted me about.

 

I also see in your continuation of the recent debunking posts that on 02-08-12 you stated you do not really know when you wrote your letter: "As for links to my appeal to the NIH? I think there are some older websites that might have the old letter... I think it was back in 1994." So Kasten, not only do you not provide proof of your letter from "back in 1994," you can't be bothered to link to or acknowledge the 1996 posting of the letter by your friend Humpty Dumpty, otherwise known as "Density 4," "Blue Resonant Human," and "Brother Blue" among other aliases. People will probably remember him from the early 1990s as another wannabe abductee who turned debunker (which is much more in vogue today) – but, let's get back to the letter Kathy: This is the same letter I included in my response to you, which you ignored.

 

In the following post, you lied again:

"Please note that Kay Wilson was silent even though I had been encouraged to contact her and ask for her support. She never responded. I have to guess it means she has decided exactly what is involved in her experiences."

 

"It made me aware of the difference between two very public

figures in the field. I took Kate's silence to mean she was, if not hostile, then indifferent to the issue of other

possibilities to account for the abduction experience. That

would be the other possibility the experience was in fact

instigated by human technology."

 

Kay Wilson Replies

 

Nothing could be further from the truth and I proved that by posting the URL of your letter to the then Secretary of Health and Human Services, Donna Shalala. Contrary to your statements above, I not only engaged you in email correspondence, I was also in the process of researching and publishing my 10 part monograph, Project Open Mind: Are Some Alien Abductions Government Mind Control Experiments?

 

If you look at the date of publication (1996 - the same year Humpty Dumpty posted your letter) one can clearly see that I was (or am) anything but "hostile" or "indifferent" to other interpretations or possibilities regarding the abduction experience. I suppose I could also scan our email correspondence from 1996 and publish it on my Web site, but I don't think you would approve of that since they contained discussions of a confidential nature concerning your personal experiences. If you remember, you asked that I keep them confidential, which I always have; so let's get back to your other recent inaccurate posting:

 

Kathy Kasten Lies

 

"Therefore, I believe you have a policy of not entering a dialoguewith someone unless they are totally sympathetic to your worldview, your take on the events. In my estimation, this informedyour opinion regarding your attempts to "get healed" throughconventional transactional analysis."

 

Kay Wilson Replies

 

Your focus on Transactional Analysis is quite revealing of your own personal conflicts Kathy, but putting that aside: anyone who has emailed me or communicated with me or knows me is aware of the fact that I respond to my emails and other forms of communication. I am not afraid to engage anyone regarding this topic providing they are not overtly coming across as mentally ill or threatening in their correspondence or conversation.

 

Since you have read my e-book (refer to your past postings of how upset you were with the fact that the aliens [not me] chose to use the term emissary to describe abductees) you know that your statement above is also inaccurate. I have clearly stated in my publications that I saw a psychologist who knew nothing about UFOs and who also told me he did not believe in them or knew anyone else who did. And, I continued to see him and I followed up with appointments for months, even after he made that statement.

 

The second psychologist I saw was a forensic specialist and I have published in-depth about that as well. He knew nothing about UFOs either until he began working with Ed Walters and myself. We were among his first "UFO" cases. He had no opinion about the phenomenon other than having an open mind about the possibilities. Having an open mind is not being "sympathetic to one's worldview," which is yet another false statement you made.

 

Back to your other inaccurate assumption: The Blog you are referring to in this post was not written by me, but by Elsie Conner. No matter what your mind (the voices in your head) may be telling you, Elsie Conner and Kay Wilson are not the same people. Wake up Kathy. Get your facts straight. How much more clearly could the title have been written?

 

 

Then you, Ms. Kasten, went on to write the following:

 

"Frankly, if it is your intent to make the public aware of just whatthe abduction experience might be, cutting off dialogue will notfurther the public's understanding your position."

 

Kay Wilson Replies

 

I have never cut off dialogue regarding my research; however, as several Listers on Updates have pointed out to you numerous times; most of the time you post something, you either don't have your facts correct or you have no facts at all. In other words, you just lie.

 

Kathy Kasten Tells the Truth?

 

"Of course, the above is solely my opinion and is based on myown lifetime experiences."

 

Kay Wilson Replies

 

I am beginning to feel sorry for you Kathy if this is all you have learned from your "lifetime experiences." Additionally, your latest posts about my Web site came across as having been written by someone who was not only slurring their words, but was not in complete control of their "keyboard."

 

You make it quite clear each time you post a response to my Alien Jigsaw Updates or What's New at The Alien Jigsaw that not only is your intention to deflect away from and debunk abduction research; you have no respect for me or for other abductees who are having to deal with these experiences each day of their lives. Just as having been raped or having suffered other forms of torture, the effects of being abducted do not simply go away or "wear off." Because our experiences are ongoing, those of us going through this have to live with the memories each day of our lives. Even the few positive things that happen to us during our encounters can be difficult to incorporate into our daily routines.

 

Kathy, you may believe that you are a mind control victim and you may well be; but be certain of one thing: You will never see a true abductee treat you the way you have treated abductees over the past two decades. Perhaps because we can still feel, we know how much it hurts and how much pain people like you inflict on others; all because – as you like to refer to it – our world view doesn't fall in line with yours.

 

Kasten's Sandbox

 

Kathy, I know you don't have many friends and you cherish playing in the sandbox with Jackie, but be careful. You can piddle with your keyboard and suck on your cigars and have people like Jackie stroke your ego for only so long. The veterans of UFO Updates have been looking right through you for years and they have called you out on numerous occasions. This Open Response is for the new people who stumble across your debunkery on Updates – you know – the ones who are wondering just who and what the heck you really are.